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Post by Maito 'The Islander' Bone on Mar 3, 2013 20:19:13 GMT -6
You guys say "Ninjutsu sucks" but that is only because it drains chakra Though that's one of the main reasons ,it's not the only reason. We have a few jutsus that aren't useful/practical whatsoever. (the dragon head that shoots mud balls...doryuu taiga and obviously some of the wind jutsus.. Then there's a set that we've found to be quite " efficient/effective" those two are housenka and water dragon and shinkuu taigyoku if you wanna risk the 7.5k chakra in hopes of inflicting "beastly" damage. And lastly...the couple stuns...that no one use..( syrup, swamp) I think we just need an added incentive to use ninjutsus..like field effects or some crap...remember that idea you had about giving clones for example a special effect.. ? Apply it to the elemental jutsus.. While you're at it...how about making my 30% dodge rating allow me to dodge those head on projectiles eh ? sand clone = stuns target raiton clone = stuns as well water clone = creates two tiles of water rock clone = hurts user if they're unarmed / lowers durability on weapons ( if we ever get such a system ) etc etc
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Post by Matt on Mar 3, 2013 20:20:37 GMT -6
Housenka = 5% of max chakra for 4-6 Fireballs that deal 40% of your Ninjutsu.
Shinkuu = 3500 chakra for 2 projectiles that had a random number between 2 and 4, it would deal 40% of your Ninjutsu times the random number each...
So... 5% Max chakra = 4-6 projs of 40% nin each or 3500 chakra = 2 projs of 80%-160% of Nin for each projectile
Fuuton seems alot better imo.
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Post by Apex Barry on Mar 3, 2013 21:31:42 GMT -6
You guys say "Ninjutsu sucks" but that is only because it drains chakra, Taijutsu and Swords havnt drained Stamina except for a few moves. You guys arnt saying Ninjutsu sucks, you are saying Taijutsu doesnt cost compared to Ninjutsu. I don't know about others, but I was comparing the practicality of using Ninjutsu vs using Taijutsu, with Taijutsu obviously being more practical to use. Save for a few ninjutsu (Goukakyuu, Housenka, and Dango), most are impractical. It's not just their chakra cost, though that does have a huge amount of influence, but the fact that most have a low chance of hitting, with a high chakra cost, coupled with relatively low damage. I'll use your comparison as an example to start: Shinku Gyoku I believe, shoots 2 tiles ahead of you, decent damage. In comparison, Katon Housenka, which does less damage, can be shot in multiple directions, therefore having a higher chance of hitting successfully at a relatively lower cost of chakra. Housenka: effective, practical for combat. Shinku Gyoku: risky, impractical. Taigyoku may hit for massive damage, but the 7.5k chakra drain is going to leave you without chakra in no time, giving you a disadvantage if you're reliant on ninjutsu over tai. Due to diagonal using opponents (like me), straight shot tile moves are even harder to hit with, especially when people spam diagonals (see: lilman). Housenka makes hitting these opponents easier, and Goukakyuu does too due to its wider range, but leaves you rooted for a few seconds, lowering it's practicality a little. If we move to Doton, Swamp has its uses, but if someone stays close it's also dangerous for the user because they can trap themselves too. Dango is basically the best jutsu Doton has, albeit it's affinity. Earth Dragon Bullet (an anime only jutsu btw, like Fire Dragon Bullet which is also in the game), kind of sucks because of how long it takes to use it. It is also impractical to use because of this, unless you use it as a distraction I suppose. The homing Doton jutsu can miss moving targets... Suiton is probably the other element that has decent jutsu, like the affinity only (I think) Suigadan. Whether it's affinity or not, this jutsu actually rocks because it hits very often when they're on water. Suirou? Lul. Would be nicer if you could have a clone trap them while you fight. Hoshi make Suiton even more dangerous because of their shark moves and water creation. Mizu no Tatsumaki is quite wonderful, a decent speed projectile with decent damage at a fair chakra cost. The delay is the key to this jutsu being so great though. Raiton, people mainly get this either for Eisou, Kirin, or Raikiri. Chidori Senbon used, but seldom. Chidorigatana's drain is very impractical to keep active, despite its useful effects. Nobody uses windmill shuriken.. and Shuriken themselves aren't used as often as they used to be, Kunai I have yet to see a bunch of people use, think I've only seen Maito using them in a youtube video. Most of the practical jutsu are affinity based, which leaves something to be desired on the non-affinity ones. Most people who use these affinity jutsu are hybrid tai users, because if you're going to go nin, you might as well be in a clan where it's most effective, because a crap ton of the clan jutsu are all practical, effective, and pretty dangerous. If we compare Taijutsu and Ninjutsu, even that lower punch damage is practical because you can hit more often than using nin, and in the case of people running, some can resort to Shunshin and other tactics to close the distance, although many can opt to keep their distance too, and evade incoming attacks.
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Post by Swag~arashi on Mar 3, 2013 22:13:47 GMT -6
You guys say "Ninjutsu sucks" but that is only because it drains chakra, Taijutsu and Swords havnt drained Stamina except for a few moves. You guys arnt saying Ninjutsu sucks, you are saying Taijutsu doesnt cost compared to Ninjutsu. I don't know about others, but I was comparing the practicality of using Ninjutsu vs using Taijutsu, with Taijutsu obviously being more practical to use. Save for a few ninjutsu (Goukakyuu, Housenka, and Dango), most are impractical. It's not just their chakra cost, though that does have a huge amount of influence, but the fact that most have a low chance of hitting, with a high chakra cost, coupled with relatively low damage. I'll use your comparison as an example to start: Shinku Gyoku I believe, shoots 2 tiles ahead of you, decent damage. In comparison, Katon Housenka, which does less damage, can be shot in multiple directions, therefore having a higher chance of hitting successfully at a relatively lower cost of chakra. Housenka: effective, practical for combat. Shinku Gyoku: risky, impractical. Taigyoku may hit for massive damage, but the 7.5k chakra drain is going to leave you without chakra in no time, giving you a disadvantage if you're reliant on ninjutsu over tai. Due to diagonal using opponents (like me), straight shot tile moves are even harder to hit with, especially when people spam diagonals (see: lilman). Housenka makes hitting these opponents easier, and Goukakyuu does too due to its wider range, but leaves you rooted for a few seconds, lowering it's practicality a little. If we move to Doton, Swamp has its uses, but if someone stays close it's also dangerous for the user because they can trap themselves too. Dango is basically the best jutsu Doton has, albeit it's affinity. Earth Dragon Bullet (an anime only jutsu btw, like Fire Dragon Bullet which is also in the game), kind of sucks because of how long it takes to use it. It is also impractical to use because of this, unless you use it as a distraction I suppose. The homing Doton jutsu can miss moving targets... Suiton is probably the other element that has decent jutsu, like the affinity only (I think) Suigadan. Whether it's affinity or not, this jutsu actually rocks because it hits very often when they're on water. Suirou? Lul. Would be nicer if you could have a clone trap them while you fight. Hoshi make Suiton even more dangerous because of their shark moves and water creation. Mizu no Tatsumaki is quite wonderful, a decent speed projectile with decent damage at a fair chakra cost. The delay is the key to this jutsu being so great though. Raiton, people mainly get this either for Eisou, Kirin, or Raikiri. Chidori Senbon used, but seldom. Chidorigatana's drain is very impractical to keep active, despite its useful effects. Nobody uses windmill shuriken.. and Shuriken themselves aren't used as often as they used to be, Kunai I have yet to see a bunch of people use, think I've only seen Maito using them in a youtube video. Most of the practical jutsu are affinity based, which leaves something to be desired on the non-affinity ones. Most people who use these affinity jutsu are hybrid tai users, because if you're going to go nin, you might as well be in a clan where it's most effective, because a crap ton of the clan jutsu are all practical, effective, and pretty dangerous. If we compare Taijutsu and Ninjutsu, even that lower punch damage is practical because you can hit more often than using nin, and in the case of people running, some can resort to Shunshin and other tactics to close the distance, although many can opt to keep their distance too, and evade incoming attacks. Thank you for hitting all the marks I didn't wanna make a long post.
Most elemental jutsu are impractical and downright weak. When I built hybrid I did it out of pride and not out of practicality.
All in you will NEVER see a non-clan nin-whore. If we want to balance the game we could do two things: 1. Make it so melee combat is just as bad as ninjutsu 2. Make ninjutsu worth using.
I lean toward the second, It'll make the game more fun in general. mattfox.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=suggest&action=display&thread=4279
Read this thread if you've got time. While this idea may not be the best the concept stays true:
We need to make it feel rewarding to spec into ninjutsu.
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Post by Dean Winchester on Mar 4, 2013 5:44:33 GMT -6
matt i am saying increase the transtion seed betwen mirror to mirror, its to slow for my taste and anime/manga wise
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Post by TRVPLXRD THURNIS on Mar 4, 2013 9:12:15 GMT -6
Ice mirrors are absolutely fine, you might not be good using them.
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Post by |-Tensai-| on Mar 4, 2013 10:31:27 GMT -6
From the updates and the new additions, I can't wait to start playing this game as a medic... or be my Rock Lee class again
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Post by ♛Stigmata Gillz© on Mar 4, 2013 10:37:24 GMT -6
From the updates and the new additions, I can't wait to start playing this game as a medic... or be my Rock Lee class again Eraija whats up (it's fang)
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Post by |-Tensai-| on Mar 4, 2013 10:46:57 GMT -6
Yo!! what's up?
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Post by Dean Winchester on Mar 4, 2013 12:02:37 GMT -6
how do you people wish to be on the same page with the manga/anime when you dont stick to the script. also i dont suck witht hem i fidn it bother some to place all the mirror images to ahve them vanish in 5 seconds, all i asked was for the mirror trasnsiton speed to increse
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Post by Matt on Mar 4, 2013 12:06:09 GMT -6
Dean, while I try to be as close to the manga as possible, there are a few things that must happen for game balance. Level caps, training speed, certain jutsus are all tweaked so that there is some kind of balance. Uchiha's can still be beat.
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Post by Dean Winchester on Mar 4, 2013 13:03:07 GMT -6
Matt again witht he balance thing, how can there be balance with kaguyas in game and all i am asking for is a slight transition boost
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Post by TRVPLXRD THURNIS on Mar 4, 2013 13:22:57 GMT -6
Well, a bad kaguya can make Kaguya the worst clan in game, trust me.
Also, good kaguyas, let's say Maito, or decent kaguyas, let's say thurnis, won't use the OP Kaguya jutsus, tbh I never saw Maito using Sawa, I myself never use Sawa, I never saw Maito with tessenka on, I barely use it, and I spent the last wipe with yanagi on, which isn't OP at all, my damage was OP because of my tai whoring ways, which isn't related to the clan in my case.
Of course noob Kaguyas are gonna use Sawa, just avoid them.
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Post by Dean Winchester on Mar 4, 2013 14:30:10 GMT -6
here's the thing, if a clan has the ability to be op shouldn't it be nerfed? not all deidaras spammed c0 yet the clan took a hit, i am just saying if you balance one you have to balance all and a slight transition boost is all i am asking for, i mean with all the bs that can happen in mirrors why not just give it a little boost, especially since yuki has turned t a under populated clan
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Post by Lisa on Mar 4, 2013 16:00:24 GMT -6
From someone that mainly play as a Yuki i will say that mirrors are fine <-< Only real issue to me are clans that can fly, use mirrors on them and all they do is fly out. Big sword may be a issue for some since they can easily hit 3 mirrors in one swing and the small delay in moving from mirror to mirror make it difficult to avoid getting hit, i solved that by adapting to the situation by not using the jutsu on them xP Sadly the easiest time to fight someone that use mirrors is once they trap you because of the position and no other images.
As for ninjutsu, make that stronger and i bet we will see a good amount of random builds depending on how useful the jutsus will be. So tired of watching people run around with a sword and raiton just because it is easy to fight with ._.
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Post by Dean Winchester on Mar 4, 2013 19:46:06 GMT -6
never said anything was wrong with mirrors all asked for was a mirror transition speed boost, considering how nerve wrecking it can be to use it against, someone who isn't brain dead
also if mirrors are suppose to be on top how can people possibly fly out, that is a error and should be fixed
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Post by Matt on Mar 4, 2013 21:17:42 GMT -6
Deidara's took a "hit"? How? Are you refering to me redoing C0 to expanding? You just said "If a Clan is OP and doesn't use it, then why nerf the clan?" If I "nerf" some thing that no one uses then how it is nerfing the whole clan? You guys say nerf, and I call it balance.
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Post by Matt on Mar 4, 2013 21:21:11 GMT -6
Also whats wrong with kaguyas? They are Tai based yes, but they can only have one jutsu on. Sawa is instant yes, but thats the whole point in it. I may redo it to either random or expanding but it isnt that big of a deal. I get more complaints about Uchiha then I have about Kaguya, and Uchiha you can easily beat, each clan has a weakness. Kaguya is don't get close.
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Post by Kurei Hiitaka on Mar 4, 2013 21:29:53 GMT -6
Which is ironic, with the argument that ninjutsu that aren't clan-specific are useless or at least extremely weak xD
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Post by Apex Barry on Mar 5, 2013 0:49:23 GMT -6
Deidara's took a "hit"? How? Are you refering to me redoing C0 to expanding? You just said "If a Clan is OP and doesn't use it, then why nerf the clan?" If I "nerf" some thing that no one uses then how it is nerfing the whole clan? You guys say nerf, and I call it balance. Why do I feel like the post I spent 10 minutes typing out was ignored? Q_Q
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