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Post by Matt on May 18, 2013 5:18:26 GMT -6
Ok so...basically the idea is that you can't be Genjutsu'ed by someone unless you have less Genjutsu then they have...what do you guys think? Pro's - Only people who spec into Gen can use it effectively Con's - Chidori + Gen is going to still be around and you won't be able to gen them back.... Yes this thread is kinda thrown together, but that is because I would like the redo the Gen system, however I need help and suggestions from you guys. I want to make Genjutsu rare, but not something that just allows you to stun someone to kill in one hit...maybe Chidori/Rasengan is the problem, again, tell me what you guys think!
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Post by Lisa on May 18, 2013 6:02:57 GMT -6
Sounds like a good idea to me, and it do make some sense since more gen = more skill in it = easier to trap someone in gen. But you should probably make some exception like the genjutsus you can get with only 1k gen that do not stun but just screw with the screen. But i will note that it is not just gen -> op jutsus that can one hit that happen, lately i have seen oiroke followed by strong jutsus. and that you can't kai out of for some reason so you should probably look into that. Then we have the system for chidori/rasengan, to me that should be changed since most players just use full power to attempt to one hit others = no fun.
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Post by Kurei Hiitaka on May 18, 2013 7:10:52 GMT -6
Sounds like this would help with some of the nastier gens (Hopefully Eisou counts...I know it's not a gen, but a nin but it's the move over-used stun from what I've seen, next to Oiroke). However, like Moxxi said, if nothing's done about the not-really-gen's the lolstun + full-chakra FRS/Chidori will still happen.
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Post by If ur reading this its to late on May 18, 2013 13:51:26 GMT -6
As long as gen reversal still works I'll be happy
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2013 13:51:47 GMT -6
My idea goes like this:
Genjutsu success depends on the genjutsu stat the caster's versus the target. We learn from the show not all genjutsu can be broken out of. I like that when you're hit it cancels the current gen for regular. But how about a percentage chance to break out of the genjutsu.
The longer you're in the genjutsu the higher the chance goes and it rolls every 30 seconds? I know when you're stunned by Eisou the duration of the stun is cut down significantly if you hold down an arrow key or try to move.
Maybe make the genjutsu system work that way so that it's sort of a struggle. The targets success would depend on their base chackra vs the opponents base chakra and their genjutsu versus the opponents genjutsu. Maybe even throw level into the equation.
Like Jiraiya said when he was training Naruto in early stages Genjutsu are for intelligent ninja. E.g a Level 2k using Jubaku with 7k genjutsu will not have huge success versus a level 7k with 1k genjutsu.
^ is striked out cause I'm not even sure if I'm making sense but maybe someone can pick something out to bounce off of the idea. The good thing about this community is I don't have to ask anyone to point out the flaws in my idea. Lol
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Post by Swag~arashi on May 18, 2013 15:20:44 GMT -6
It helps a bit but not too much. It only effects things within the groups of players that use genjutsu.
As for how to make genjutsu better I'd say try to do more visual genjutsu's rather than stuns, Feel free to get creative since we aren't going to get anymore genjutsu that aren't reality bending world-enders.
You could also try making them harder to land via delays and such. You could also try making them telegraph more..
TO BE CONTINUED.
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Post by Kurei Hiitaka on May 18, 2013 20:07:41 GMT -6
Oh, that made me think, some gen improvements --
-The leaf thingy Kakashi used on Sakura during their bell test could be used as a screen obstructing jutsu. After passing a gen check, the target could take damage by being shown an image of themselves/a random village-colored npc being beaten to death.
-Fire gen that obstructs the player's screen for like 20 seconds if it lands, draining 1% hp per second b/c they think they're on fire.
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Post by Dean Winchester on May 18, 2013 20:46:14 GMT -6
if they think there on fire why would it drain hp if they think it doesn't make it true "Not only am I better looking, Im just plain better"
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Post by Kurei Hiitaka on May 18, 2013 21:15:03 GMT -6
The whole point of genjutsu is confusing the mind and causing them to be confused or inflict pain because of injury 0.o haven't you heard of the hot metal experiment?
Blindfold the test subject, tell them you have a hot iron, and when you touch metal up against their bare skin, they'll actually believe you're burning them and feel pain that doesn't exist. Plus, the flame gen in naruto does that XD
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Post by Dean Winchester on May 18, 2013 21:26:11 GMT -6
that is full and comlete hokum, the test subject must ahve been an idiot if you are going to try to justify your bs don't use asinine examples such as that "Not only am I better looking, Im just plain better"
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Post by Kurei Hiitaka on May 18, 2013 21:58:44 GMT -6
Not exactly an asinine example. I bet if I blindfolded you, tied you to a chair, and you had no idea what was going on, you'd react the same as the test subject.
The mind is a fairly powerful weapon.
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Post by Dean Winchester on May 18, 2013 22:21:39 GMT -6
i highly doubt it, seems like that placebo effect crap, more hokum "Not only am I better looking, Im just plain better"
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Post by TRVPLXRD THURNIS on May 19, 2013 12:31:49 GMT -6
I find this a silly idea. I mean, nobody gets more than 1k gen, so we would still get binded by them Tree Gens and Marakumi.
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Post by Red on May 19, 2013 15:17:32 GMT -6
Stop argueing Dean.. even you should know your being a idiot now.. The whole point of gen is making you think somethings thats not. If you THINK your fire, your body will retract to that like its on fire and burn and shit.
On topic: Would Gen reversal work like that too? You shouldn't be able to reverse gen on someone that has higher Gen stat than you.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 19:44:24 GMT -6
Stop argueing Dean.. even you should know your being a idiot now.. The whole point of gen is making you think somethings thats not. If you THINK your fire, your body will retract to that like its on fire and burn and shit. On topic: Would Gen reversal work like that too? You shouldn't be able to reverse gen on someone that has higher Gen stat than you. To your reversal logic that's not a good idea. It sort of trumps the point of Genjutsu reversal. Uchiha are known for their superiority and that jutsu is what it is. Stats shouldn't come into question when it comes to Hyoten.
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Post by Dean Winchester on May 20, 2013 4:25:47 GMT -6
Red i have never experienced such actions and won't change my mind until i encounter for myself, also before you insult someone you igit, be secure with your body of work or you will sound as foolish as you did "Not only am I better looking, Im just plain better"
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Post by Red on May 23, 2013 17:29:24 GMT -6
Red i have never experienced such actions and won't change my mind until i encounter for myself, also before you insult someone you igit, be secure with your body of work or you will sound as foolish as you did "Not only am I better looking, Im just plain better" Did you know this is based on an anime ._.?
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