Kazuki
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Post by Kazuki on Aug 21, 2012 11:21:30 GMT -6
Ok, so i think that the Flying Transportation Bird that Deidara's get at 2k is a little bit too OP. Its used more than just for Transportation. I've seen Deidara's Fly un top of buildings and throw C2 birds, which is very annoying. And the thing is, they can stay on that bird for hours. So i was thinking last night, of 2 ways that this jutsu could be a Little less OP.
Option 1: Deidara Flying Bird would drain your charka. It would drain 2-3k charka every second.If Yuki mirrors drain, then this should too. It is merely impossible to hit a Deidara with them flying around. If you swing a big sword at them and miss, you'll have to wait for you swing to be over and by then you would have already got hit with a C2 bird.And if your a pure nin fighting a flying Deidara, your out of luck my friend. This option would stop Deidara's flying around/going to get ramen( Of course this wouldn't completely stop this, but you'll have a better chance of hitting them)/going through walls,throwing C2 birds. And of course actually landing a hit on them OR
Option 2: Give the Flying Bird a Maxuim of 10k hp. And would use 10k charka to activate the jutsu. If you hit the bird for 10k Dmg or more. The bird would die/disappear and the Deidara would have to wait some time before using the jutsu again.
Please tell me what you think,leave comments below and have a Good Day ^__^
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Post by NoshiFox \(-_-)z on Aug 21, 2012 11:31:21 GMT -6
Thing is with option one, that's stupid(Not to insult you or anything) because deidara uses his chakra to make the bird and when it's done it's his chakra in motion. He doesn't need to sustain it with anymore chakra since it's already created, unlike konan's wings which form from her paper which she has to keep up with a steady amount of chakra etc etc.
With option two, I see alot of bugs that would happen but it's the obvious better choice of the two. But I rather think the deidaras are fine. No one says you have to fight them and if they choose to stay on the bird choose noobie tactics to kill noobs.
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Kazuki
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Post by Kazuki on Aug 21, 2012 11:43:37 GMT -6
Thing is with option one, that's stupid(Not to insult you or anything) because deidara uses his chakra to make the bird and when it's done it's his chakra in motion. He doesn't need to sustain it with anymore chakra since it's already created, unlike konan's wings which form from her paper which she has to keep up with a steady amount of chakra etc etc.
\(-_-)z Exactly the Deidara would either have to choose.... "Should i stay on the bird and let my charka be drained" or "should i just get off the bird and fight normal" Also it doesnt have to drain 2-3k charka, it could drain a good amount (not too much, not too little) that the deidara cant stay on the bird for so long
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Post by trayanmladeno on Aug 21, 2012 11:45:05 GMT -6
Quoting Noshi:
deidara uses his chakra to make the bird and when it's done it's his chakra in motion. He doesn't need to sustain it with anymore chakra since it's already created
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Post by NoshiFox \(-_-)z on Aug 21, 2012 11:47:37 GMT -6
But it wouldn't be fair. This game is based on the show, even at times when it seems it's not like when Noshi became grass leader in the anime and yet it still hasn't happened in game *cough* matt make it happen *cough*, and in the show Deidara never had chakra lose so why would/should it be changed now?
It would be like changing the current rasnengan/chidori system because a few people don't know how to fight without it.
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Post by haru on Aug 21, 2012 12:17:21 GMT -6
Yeah but in the show when Naruto was chasing Deidara for Gaara he was able to kill the flying bird that Gaara was in. So sense that was in the show shouldn't it be in the game?
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Post by trayanmladeno on Aug 21, 2012 12:17:22 GMT -6
That's true, rasengan is a rank A jutsu and you can learn it at level like 50 lol. But, Naruto learnt it as a genin, that's the pain, and so did Sasuke with Chidori.
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Post by Kurei Hiitaka on Aug 21, 2012 13:01:11 GMT -6
I kinda agree w/ option 2. But the question with option two is: Is it still going to OMFGAVOID! like 99% of the jutsu/attack types in game? You can cut Deidaras with swords while the flying, but not punches, more than half the available ninjutsu, or throwing weapons.
W/ this method, the bird should "take" the hits meant for the deidaras--if you throw a punch, since in the anime people can jump and hit him anywho--the bird should tank the punch damage. This way deidara's aren't completely immune. Dunno too well how densities work in the code, but I figure there could be a way to work the jutsu/weapons so that they're on the same plane, making the deidara's bird take damage, but not the user themselves.
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Post by Maito 'The Islander' Bone on Aug 21, 2012 15:15:10 GMT -6
I kinda agree w/ option 2. But the question with option two is: Is it still going to OMFGAVOID! like 99% of the jutsu/attack types in game? You can cut Deidaras with swords while the flying, but not punches, more than half the available ninjutsu, or throwing weapons. This is a problem with BYOND and not Matt's coding. The problem with deidaras is the mass amount of birds they are allowed to produce. In both the manga and anime, Deidara was always complaining about his lack of clay more so than chakra... As to why the clay suggestion hasn't been implemented to this day is baffling. If it had been added, deidaras wouldn't be so much of a pain in the ass seeing as the majority of them seem to have marble eyes and can't aim for shit, they would be depleting their chakra whilst trying to hit a stationary target. Now, about the bird ordeal. Seeing as the byond projectile/density system seems to be problem ( that's why taijutsu ( attack/asshou) can hit and only jutsus like doryuusou/goukakuu/aoes whereas projectiles have no effect) why not just give the bird hp as someone suggested to signify that it can be destroyed and work from there. @noshi Sorry kid, i'm too proud to resort to noob'ish tactics 'cuz they are flying...my granny would turn in her grave if i were to stoop that low.
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Post by Kurei Hiitaka on Aug 21, 2012 15:38:49 GMT -6
Still think the Clay idea is a good one too. Making the Bird consume 5 clay and have a time limit, or consume 5 clay and have hp, while the deidara's Clay limit is like 25-30, and each clay craft costs 1%-3% chakra (Kinda like how Bunshin Bakuha consumes 50% of your chakra and does 2x that in damage)
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