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Post by Death on Jul 22, 2012 14:48:30 GMT -6
Well sorry that you and your brother are the only ones who just sit at their computers for 3 days (nights included) straight grinding 10 000 levels on a byond game that gets wiped often, but everyone else here actually has to do something other than this game once in a while.
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Post by Maito 'The Islander' Bone on Jul 22, 2012 15:01:07 GMT -6
Noshi is just annoying to fight ,period.
Papa, i think you have put yourself on too high a pedestal,i'm just saying. I don't ever recall you dominating me and my sucky ass skill in any fight when we were in the same level range.
With that said, i can't agree with you but, your opinion is just that, yours.
As for the diagonal thing...i'm a complainer, everyone knows that, i admit it. I hate diagonal users as much as i hate rasengan/chidori spammers. Do i want them disabled ? Of course i do, have you ever fought Saitoshi or anyone that fights like him ? I don't appreciate being hit with a sword for 35k per hit at angles i can't even conceive.
I say disable them, those of you that are going to scream " Just learn to fight, blah blah blah " Save it. It's just flat out annoying. I recall someone eluding to the increase in movement speed of diagonal movements vs cardinal movements and i have to say, it does feel as if you do move faster.
The only valid/legit reason for keeping them implemented is for the odd occasion that a npc has you boxed in.
In the end, this poll is just what it is...a poll..will it matter even if 'Yes' out votes ' No' ? Nope, i doubt.
Peace.
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Post by Death on Jul 22, 2012 15:10:34 GMT -6
To add to people saying stuff about the movement speed, it's true that diagonals are faster than cardinals. I tested it with someone.
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Post by trayanmladeno on Jul 22, 2012 16:27:02 GMT -6
Lmao, Papa Smurf you're such a narcisist.
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Post by F.G.D Slayer, Mello on Jul 22, 2012 16:36:27 GMT -6
I don't particularly mind ppl using diags against me, it's just annoying to see someone who used to call diag users a "noob" actually use it themselves, and I for one will never acknowledge a diag user to be skilled or even worth mentioning when ppl ask me to name some of the strong players of NFB. As far as I'm concerned, a player could have a KDR or 0 deaths 10k kills and I'll still consider him weak for the sole reason of using diags.
As for the topic at hand, I don't see a need for removing diags, just simply come to an agreement with the person you're fighting that diags aren't allowed during the fight, if they don't accept then you don't need to accept fighting them and can then proceed to noobing them in anyway you can think of.
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Post by Onime no Kyo on Jul 22, 2012 18:55:20 GMT -6
As I said, saying get rid of diagnols just because they are annoying to fight against, or you don't like them, is wrong. It is not what this game is about. If thats the case, then get rid of genjutsu. And get rid of freezes. Hell, just get rid of Gaara and Nara because they have nothing but freezes. And while we are at it, lets just get rid of any clan that we don't like. See where this is going? There is no legitimate reason to get rid of diagnols other than its annoying. They are useful when getting around npcs, traveling, and a lot of people use them in fights/raids.
And all of this is coming from someone who has said several times that I hate fighting diagnol users.
And papa smurf, you really do need to deflate your ego quiet a bit. I don't think I've seen you dominate anyone, unless you are counting your time as a gaara, and in that case, there is a difference between dominating with skill, and dominating with freezes. Say you didn't use them all you want, but I, along with many other people, have a very clear memory of you using your kyuus and other kyuu like techiniques just like any other gaara. Which, that is the whole point of gaara, but don't claim your dominating anyone when thats what you do.
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Post by Death on Jul 22, 2012 19:54:10 GMT -6
Not to mention the countless FRS and other stuns he uses, Kyo.
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Post by ♛Stigmata Gillz© on Jul 22, 2012 21:19:02 GMT -6
Alright since, my name was brought up (thanks for the honorable mention btw barry haha) i figured i'd comment on the topic at hand. Anybody who knows me knows i HATE fighting against diagonals with a hot-blooded passion to a certain degree i can have alot of grief fighting someone who uses them, that being said I can beat them and usually i do (except for one time with phoenix, that guy is noobed out in ways we can't even imagine) i've mellowed out in my hate of it while on rotp but i still don't like them. And yes i will admit straight up i have trouble fighting people who primarily uses Diagonals (this means they use diagonals the ENTIRE fight instead of mixing it up with mainly cardinals and occassional Diagonal movements.)
That being said i suggest an alternative route in this case, instead of elmininating them alltogether (which i wouldn't mind at all if we went that route) how about instead we discuss a way to limit how much a person can use diagonals? like per,se make it to where they can't do nothing but diag. Not only does this force them to pick and choose their moments but it weeds out the diag noob pretenders from the ones who only use it for a dodge that would normally be impossible with cardinal directions.
Anyone in favor of this?
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Post by Death on Jul 22, 2012 21:33:04 GMT -6
Like... only a lock on diagonal movements so that they can only be used once every... 5 seconds? Genious!
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Post by If ur reading this its to late on Jul 22, 2012 23:29:19 GMT -6
Like... only a lock on diagonal movements so that they can only be used once every... 5 seconds? Genious! You mean a CD? That seems pointless since the real reason people use diags is for the speed of bouncing back and forth and for being more unpredictable in movement. If you're gonna dodge then you may as well dodge with cardinals if we've come this far.
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Post by Death on Jul 22, 2012 23:59:57 GMT -6
Like... only a lock on diagonal movements so that they can only be used once every... 5 seconds? Genious! You mean a CD? That seems pointless since the real reason people use diags is for the speed of bouncing back and forth and for being more unpredictable in movement. If you're gonna dodge then you may as well dodge with cardinals if we've come this far. I was just going with what Gillz had said, and I would think this would only make them practical for getting out of being trapped and whatnot, or timed dodges.
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Post by If ur reading this its to late on Jul 23, 2012 0:01:10 GMT -6
You mean a CD? That seems pointless since the real reason people use diags is for the speed of bouncing back and forth and for being more unpredictable in movement. If you're gonna dodge then you may as well dodge with cardinals if we've come this far. I was just going with what Gillz had said, and I would think this would only make them practical for getting out of being trapped and whatnot, or timed dodges. Yes but you specified > , anyways imo you should either have them or you don't. Just keep it simple.
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Post by Apex Barry on Jul 23, 2012 0:08:34 GMT -6
Hell, You consider me decent and I do use diags. lol I don't diag ninjutsu though, just my melee. I diag whether I use a large sword, small sword, or my fists (as a Hyuuga, I diag danced around people and punched them). Your main complaints: [/li][li]It's annoying: Boo hoo, get over it. [/li][li]The movement speed is higher: Fix it, find a way TO fix it. I have NO problem with the speed being edited to where it's the same as cardinal directions, other games have proven this able to be done. What I won't like, is if the speed was nerfed to be slower, because that's just like what Matt did to large swords only far worse.As I said before, diag users are quite easy to beat (unless they're throwing, even I got annoyed by that, but did I whine and bitch? Nah. Instead I just quit on fighting the person and resumed my training elsewhere). Also, personally, I switch it up. Some fights I use only diags, and some I use only cardinals (like with my Jashin, which I had to practice to use a lot). Either way, it's all about predicting what your opponent will do. If you get hasty, you're going to lose. Only difference is, your slip ups have a lower chance to cause your death when your opponent is using cardinals than if they are diags because they can then take full advantage. Stop bitching and
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Post by Apex Barry on Jul 23, 2012 0:49:00 GMT -6
I wasn't addressing my post to you directly, Smurf. You were included in the masses that are. My post, as most of mine are, is directed at people of the opposing opinion in general.
Like I said before, the movement speed can simply be fixed, therein that point people are trying to reinforce is dealt with. As for it being annoying, that's just personal problems for you all.
@death, they can get out of Kyuu and Nara bind, but I'm not sure you read the whole situation so I'll restate it:
They can only move around. They cannot use jutsu, cannot train, cannot perform any techniques whatsoever. They can only move. It can't be kai'd out of (with the previous kai nor the current one). They have to relog, and it's not really something that can be done deliberately (unless a person spends hours and hours practicing with a partner who's willing to help them do that, which I don't think there is a lot of that going on). They're bugged. Plain and simple, the only fix is for them to either relog like I said, or to be killed. Even then, I think killing them still keeps them bugged. I can't remember what the situation was for me since it was in the first test wipe when it happened.
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Post by Onime no Kyo on Jul 23, 2012 1:15:21 GMT -6
I put myself where I think I am. Nothing really had to do with my ego, I've fought everyone on that list and usually win, except against Noshi and sometimes Roy, who I usually broke even with. I'm not even talking about when I was a Gaara, but it's nice to still see the same old person who always complains over it still complaining months later. All I can say is that if you don't like where I put myself, then do something about it in the game when it comes up to prove me otherwise. I've been through this already with people on this game, two or three guys talking big on the forums about how they're going to beat me in game, then the game comes up, the opposite happens, and suddenly those same people got nothing to say and are all smiles. I've been there and have done that. Back on topic. The difference between getting rid of clans like Gaara and Nara and the difference between eliminating diagonals doesn't need to really be said, it's obvious. A Naruto game isn't a very good one without these two clans because it ruins the game play, whereas if you get rid of diagonals, nothing whatsoever about the game play changes. You're not going to see people quit a game because they can't walk diagonally unless they're that stupid and desperate (In which case they should go ahead and quit), but you're more likely to see people quit games because it doesn't have their favorite clans in it. Limiting the amount a person can use diagonals is too convoluted, I think it should either be kept or gotten rid of. Lol the only reason I bring up your Gaara, is because thats the only character of yours I've ever fought(or remember fighting), and the only one I've seen(or remember seeing), which means that to me, your other chars that you claim to dominate on, I've never seen, fought, or even heard about -shrugs- and as for talking big? I don't talk big, I don't talk more than I have done, and has been proven. Have I ever claimed to be the best? Never. Have I claimed to be the best juugo? Sure, to mess with EC. Am I the best? Not even close. But what I Do say I am, and what I've done, is all true. And it can be proven. Now, as for this topic, at the end of the day its gonna come down to Matt. And he is gonna do what he believes is best for the Game, not what is best for the few people who come on the forums daily, not best for the people who have spoken up here, but best for the game in general. But your just not getting it. If you just take out something because someone doesnt like it, then it is wrong, plain and simple. Unless you have a Legitimate reason to take something out, then it shouldn't be taken out. As for the reasons being listed, the only Legitimate one that has been posted, has been a bug that lets them get out of freezes if done at the right moment from what has been said. Well, there are Several bugs like that in there, and they have to be done at Just the right time, and if anyone is caught doing it over and over, can be punished for bug abuse, but from the sounds of it most people only accomplish it by accident, and it still renders them useless, they can just run around after it.
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Post by Apex Barry on Jul 23, 2012 4:01:55 GMT -6
Oh, about the issue with the bug. Gillz said it happened to him when he was using cardinals so the Kyuu and Nara bug applies to cardinal directions, not just diags. So it's down to the 2 aforementioned issues I outlined before. One of which is irrelevant.
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Post by Red on Jul 23, 2012 22:41:29 GMT -6
Compelety off topic but whys ppl calling tidus roy ._.?
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Post by trayanmladeno on Jul 24, 2012 10:29:44 GMT -6
Read the topic that Death made some days ago, red
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