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Post by Tidus on Dec 13, 2011 11:49:45 GMT -6
Okay Im pretty sure this is an old topic but I just learnt about it and I want to know what you all think. Posting rules: I want this to be an educated debate so if your one of those people who are going to go "such and such wins" with no explanation as to why, than please reframe from posting. No outside influences can be used to reason a victory for one of the two. In other words don't mention Kryptonite or Senzu Beans. I want this to be a fair fight and using a Senzu Bean would be unfair as well as random Kryptonite appearing out of thin air. Alright that's it for the rules let the debate begin
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Post by Swag~arashi on Dec 13, 2011 13:49:12 GMT -6
The only reason this debate could even start is because of 1 of two things. 1. The person lacks knowledge about DBZ 2. The person is merely forgetting just how OP'd DBZ is compared to anything imagined ever.
Let's go back to the example I always bring up.
Vegeta and Nappa on the way to Earth attack a planet and Vegeta explodes it with one small ki blast. Notice at this point Vegeta powerlevel is only 18,000
Goku's End powerlever? 90,000,000, (prior to any Super Saiyan state[No this does not include GT]). So SuperMan can survive the explosion of a planet than maybe they can fight. Superman is strong but Goku is just FUCKING RIDICULOUS. DBZ is way to over the top to be compared to anything but itself.
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Post by Tidus on Dec 13, 2011 14:16:58 GMT -6
@maito Okay Goku has ki blast which may harm Superman but they would have to hit him Superman can fly at the speed of light and run at the speed of sound. And besides I'm sure Superman could easily deflect them seeing as how he can move planets. In a battle of fist Superman wins. He hits harder and has the endurance to fight for days. Once Goku gets hungry it's over lol. In speed Goku wins if he uses Zanzoken but if they are flying/running Superman wins. @waga Goku's ki blast are useless as I stated earlier they will be deflected or dodged. Goku won't destroy the planet their fighting on because he can't breath in space where as Superman can so yea I see no way of Goku winning
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 14:51:58 GMT -6
I'm not so sure... I believe goku can actually go as fast as superman in both speed and fighting. As waga stated earlier, when their power lvls were only so low, when it was nappa vs the one-eyed freak[forgot his name], the fight was just a blur. Now, imagine with a power lvl of above 90k. O.O!
Goku also has the ability of teleportation. teleport outside the planet they're fighting on, blow it up, teleport to lord of the world's place, and chill there.
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Post by Tidus on Dec 13, 2011 14:59:19 GMT -6
I'm not so sure... I believe goku can actually go as fast as superman in both speed and fighting. As waga stated earlier, when their power lvls were only so low, when it was nappa vs the one-eyed freak[forgot his name], the fight was just a blur. Now, imagine with a power lvl of above 90k. O.O! Goku also has the ability of teleportation. teleport outside the planet they're fighting on, blow it up, teleport to lord of the world's place, and chill there. He cannot teleport anywhere he wants he has to find Ki signature he is familiar with which will take time. By the time he finds one far away he would have died in the explosion. As for the speed I acknowledged that Goku can match Superman if he uses Zanzoken(that's te super speed thing they do in DBZ that looks like teleportating) but the problem with that is Goku can only cover short distances at that speed where as Superman can go anywhere at that speed. Not to mention Instant Transmission would be useless against Superman in battle because Superman doesn't use Ki which means he doesn't have a Ki Signature for Goku to lock on and teleport behind him.
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Post by Quattro on Dec 13, 2011 17:04:51 GMT -6
Goku: 1. Goku has a fighter's intelligence. 2. He can do any do anything super man can do but faster. 3. Kamehameha can destroy a damn Moon, not to mention a planet if he wanted to. 4. Spirit Bomb= Atomic Bomb lol 5. Super Sayian not 1, 2, 3, but 4 and I quote from my Favorite character on DBZ and he's the best "Every time a Sayian does battle his strength increases". 6. Instant Transmission thts all i have to say Superman: 1. Okay last son of Krypton = smaller version of the hulk 2. Doesn't have a fighter's intelligence as Goku 3. Can't take no Spirit bomb or a Kamehameha X10 4. Every time Superman gets into a fight someone always sends him flying a biiiiiaaaaaatch!! tries to rub it off know damn well it hurts lolol 5. Fights objects not hands all the time.
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Post by Tidus on Dec 13, 2011 17:52:20 GMT -6
Goku: 1. Goku has a fighter's intelligence. 2. He can do any do anything super man can do but faster. 3. Kamehameha can destroy a damn Moon, not to mention a planet if he wanted to. 4. Spirit Bomb= Atomic Bomb lol 5. Super Sayian not 1, 2, 3, but 4 and I quote from my Favorite character on DBZ and he's the best "Every time a Sayian does battle his strength increases". 6. Instant Transmission thts all i have to say Superman: 1. Okay last son of Krypton = smaller version of the hulk 2. Doesn't have a fighter's intelligence as Goku 3. Can't take no Spirit bomb or a Kamehameha X10 4. Every time Superman gets into a fight someone always sends him flying a biiiiiaaaaaatch!! tries to rub it off know damn well it hurts lolol 5. Fights objects not hands all the time. Lol did you not read my last post Quattro? Superman been fighting before Goku was even placed in his little test tube Thingy. So he can fly around the world in less than 5 seconds? Because he sure does take a pretty long time flying to places near and far. So he can blow down cities just from exhaling? or freeze a person? Or incinerate them just by glancing at them? Oh Goku can hear sounds all around the world now too right? Or see thru solid objects as well as microscopic entities? Need I go on? The moon is 1/3 the Earth's size not that impressive considering Superman was able to spin the earth around. Besides we all know Goku can't use the Kamehameha without saying it's full name out an what makes you think Superman will just sit their and let him charge & use it? Do your homework Quattro lol Spirit Bomb is useless against Superman and anyone else who is good at heart. Okay Goku as a Super Saiyan 4 had a hard time lifting half a city where as Superman moved the entire moon. Like I said who's to say Goku can even hit Superman with a Kamehameha. So Goku never got sent flying? Is that what your saying? Because if memory serves me right Frieza trapped him in a ball like a hamster and gave him multiple round trips in the air. Android 13 punched him in the nuts than launched him flying rofl. Kid Buu sent him all around Kai world. Great ape Vegeta blasted him Across the wasteland. Need I go on? As for your last reason idk wtf your talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 18:06:28 GMT -6
Well, you're certainly defending Superman. Though i am curious how your "superman can dodge the kamehahema" statement can hold on its own. Its not like goku CANT dodge any of superman's attacks either. Also, i believe goku can use kamehameha without calling out its name, as well as he has other techniques that don't require a name-shout. Goku doesn't need lazer through the eyes or a freezing breath, he can already shoot ki with his eyes and blind the enemy with solar flare. I want to see superman use "Dragon fist" too D: All in all, i say this debate stops because in all honesty, with all the hax moves they've put on both characters, it'll end up in an endless debate which will only increase tension D:
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Post by Tidus on Dec 13, 2011 18:27:19 GMT -6
I was being sarcastic when I said he can't use Kamehameha without saying it(prolly should have inserted a emoticon) but anyway I said Goku can move as fast as Superman or close to his speed to certain extents but he's limited and can't do it all day he'll eventually get tired. But yea seeing as how atm I'm the only oter who thinks Goku can't beat Superman I got no choice but to defend him lol
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Post by Swag~arashi on Dec 13, 2011 23:33:34 GMT -6
Superman cannot move at the speed of light... you know who can? Goku.
There's a quote from Krillen at the end of DRAGON BALL stating something like "The guy can move at the speed of light and he still wants to be faster."
Superman isn't wonder woman he honestly doesn't deflect much. Anything he deflects is usually a solid and he punches through it. Not only would a ki blast explode on impact this ki blast would be 1,000 stronger than one that took to blow up a PLANET. Not to mention he could use a Kamehameha wave(Which we can only estimate is WAAAAAAY stronger than a ki blast) and or freely go into super saiyan states. Goku beats everyone in everything ever. Except for the unkillable. When it comes to over the top DBZ is at the top.
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